Thursday, May 15, 2025

The Strange Principle of Class Guilt

 

The idea that because one member of a group, or "class" of people is guilty of a crime means that all people of that class ought to be punished is a prickly pear of an idea.



This is slightly different from the idea of punishing a group because within it, a criminal class is "hiding behind the skirts" of some members of the group, but the two are really one in the same in practice, as what is really being said is that those people providing the skirts ought to resist the criminal element and offer them up for punishment and if they do not, well then you kill every one.

It also says, of course, that you see all the people in a group as being indistinguishable: Don't you know, all (fill in the blank) Negroes, Chinese, Vietnamese, Jews look alike to you. Their individual facial features do not register with you; they are simply Negro, Asian, Jews to you.

This is the idea which operated behind lynching a randomly caught Negro as a warning to others, after a white woman reported she was raped by a Black man.



What of "class guilt"?

During the American Civil War, Lincoln's favorite general, Ulysses S. Grant, was outraged by reports of Jewish merchants who were selling captured bales of cotton on a black market and illegally profiting. He then issued this order, Field Order #11:

“The Jews, as a class, violating every regulation of trade established by the Treasury Department, and also Department orders, are hereby expelled from the Department.”



This resulted in thirty Jewish families living in the Department of Tennessee being forcibly ejected from their homes and expelled. To Grant, all Jews were the same; all were guilty, because, you know, the Merchant of Venice.



Lincoln, being a lawyer, and understanding justice, and having read Shakespeare,  promptly slapped Grant down on this and told him, "You cannot punish a class of people for the transgressions of a few."



After the assassination of Hitler's beloved lieutenant, Reinhard Heydrich, near the village of Lidice, in what is now Czechoslovakia,  the Germans simply killed everyone--men, women and children-- in the village as a warning, a punishment and an instrument of terror. An Aryan fair haired boy had been murdered; a  class of human beings (non German members of a nearby village) was exterminated.

Heydrich, the Aryan


Memorial to the Lost Children of Lidice

Later, during the Vietnam War, American soldiers, being mostly non Asian, came to see all Vietnamese villagers as untrustworthy. They established "free fire zones" and killed anyone living in them to "destroy that village to free it." The village of My Lai paid the price of this attitude, and infants, mothers, fathers were laid to waste. The Viet Cong were operating in the vicinity and the Americans couldn't tell Viet Cong from garden variety Vietnamese villagers, so just shoot them all. Notice the mothers cradling their babies.

My Lai: Paying the Price of Living While Vietnamese


Now, the same thing is being promulgated in Gaza by Netanyahu:  Because there are Hamas living among the Palestinians in the department of Gazza, that geographic area must be cleansed of all Palestinians, and the presence of these miscreants among a class of human being, namely the Palestinians, justifies the killing of all those human beings; the whole class has to be eliminated from a territory.



Somehow, people still defend this.

Where is Lincoln, when we need him?



14 comments:

  1. The war against Hamas and to free the hostages has never been a war waged against the people of Gaza. Hamas uses the people of Gaza as human shields. This fact is welll known. Mad Dog really shows Jew hatred by comparing Jews with Nazis rather than Hamas with Nazis. This is part of leftist depravity and why the democrats have lost their moral standing in the USA.

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  2. Mad Dog pleas reveal in your next post your empathy for Germans in World War Two who suffered horribly when Churchill and Roosevelt waged war against Germany so that your readers understand your fixation with Nazis. Leftists like you live in inverted worlds where criminals and genocidal terrorists are praised as victims. Come on Mad Dog say it aloud so that your readers know your true beliefs as in long live the intifada right?

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  3. Oh , back to the ad hominem! The surest sign of desperation. Such trumpery reveals the bankruptcy of your position.

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  4. Defending Israel and the Jewish people against calumny and racism of mad dog is not an ad hominem attack. Leftist invert logic and refuse to acknowledge facts. Non combatant deaths in Gaza like every death in Nazi germany has only one entity to blame and that is Hamas the modern day Nazis.

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  5. Thankfully the Trump administration is rescuing American Higher education from the teaching of antisemitic rhetoric. As with any nation, Israel has the right and duty to defend itself from a genocidal terrorist threat. To think otherwise is racist and an endorsement of evil.

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  6. I do WHOLLY agree with Mad Dog on Vietnam. Both Niixon and Westmoreland targeted civilians with B52 bomber raids. That is egregiously deplorable, especially as America, unlike Israel, was not under threat and had not been attacked. I personally confronted General Westmoreland over that issue a moment in time I am very proud of.

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  7. What requires elaboration?

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  8. Headline in WSJ today is Palestinians trying to overthrow HAMAS. HAMAS only allies are leftists in USA and Europe. The Arab nations want them destroyed as well. You really should educate yourself Mad Dog. You may know medicine, but you don't understand politics. You know who keeps the Rafah crossing sealed tight!! Hint- its NOT Israel. Do you know why Black September - the group that murdered the Olympic athletes in 1972 is called Black September- HInt - has nothing to do with Israel.

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  9. Anon and Mad Dog,
    I’m sure, Anon, that Mad Dog would like you to elaborate on your interaction with Westmoreland. As for your position on the thousands of civilians dying in Gaza at the hands of the Israeli government, are we to assume you believe the civilians’ fear of standing up against Hamas makes them culpable and complicit? Some Palestinians are actively opposing Hamas, but it’s understandable that others are afraid to stand up to such a barbaric and bloodthirsty group.

    I couldn’t agree more with Mad Dog that such abhorrent behavior against civilians becomes easy once you blame a whole group for the actions of a few. With that line of thinking the US should be rounding up and locking away white males, ages 18-39, given that they are most often the culprits behind mass shootings and serial killings.
    Maud




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  10. Maud you nailed it!! The civilians need to and want to rid themselves of HAMAS and the only army to do it for them is the Israeli army. The Arab nations will not do it.

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  11. Anon,
    After scores of posts on this blog you post, "I personally confronted General Westmoreland over that issue a moment in time I am very proud of."
    So that gets my attention--rather than diatribes which could be cut and pasted from QANON, with aspersions about the character and anti-semitism of anyone who disagrees with you, you drop a bomb which sounds--dare I say?--completely out of character.

    Until that comment you were just another AI Troll, spouting all the usual stuff cut and pasted from various Storm Front, QANON websites.

    Then, out of nowhere--you have a history-- and something that sounds like sympathy for someone not in your tribe.
    You say you confronted Gen. Westmorland over the indiscriminate bombing of Vietnamese.

    That is something I'd like to know more about.
    It makes you actually interesting, surprising and someone with a history.

    I think it was Curtis LeMay who decided that rather than bombing Japanese military sites during WWII, he would instead concentrate on bombing the civilian population in Tokyo and other cities. Using the newly developed napalm, they killed 100,000 Japanese civilians in air raids which caused fire storms in the wooden Japanese cities.
    While the Brits were determined to bomb Berlin and Hamburg and Dresden and had no compunction about bombing civilians (understandable after the London Blitz), Americans had no stomach for that, at least initially.
    In the case of the Japanese, however, there were emotional and practical reasons to bomb the civilian population: Japanese civilians on various islands (e.g. Okinawa) fought alongside soldiers, and jumped off cliffs rather than surrender to Americans. Tactically, it was not technically feasible to try precision bombing from the altitudes American planes had to fly, and so they were going to hit civilians because they couldn't control where the bombs went.
    The problem Israel faces in Gaza is closer to what the Americans faced in Vietnam--a population which is either indifferent or silently in sympathy with the enemy, and an enemy in an "asymmetric" contest, who choses to hid among the villagers, an ancient but effective tactic.
    Civilians caught in these conflicts may have little love for the insurgents, but they absolutely learn to hate those who they can see bomb them and kill their children.

    As Ms. Maud notes, if you are trying to punish a dangerous class of people, we'd be locking up young, White males in this country, or possibly simply 18-39 yo males of all ethnicities.
    Mad Dog

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  12. The problem israel faces in Gaza is not in any way similar to Vietnam in which our objective, strategy and tactics were all flawed and misconceived. There is analogy to be made between our involvement in Iraq and Vietnam as both wars for us were selective wars of choice in an area conducive to insurgency. And yes I will drop another figurative bombshell on you I discussed that matter with Robert McNamara days after our invasion. Israel is not in any way engaged in a war of choice. They cannot live next door to a genocidal terrorist group and they cannot allow that group to dominate the civilian population of Gaza. If you are interested in Westmorelands response to me he accused me of being a communist sympathizer and in fact became quite enraged. There were others present who to this day vividly recall the incident.

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  13. Anon:
    Anyone who can incur the wrath of Westmoreland has got a load of street cred points, ipso facto.

    I had a classmate in medical school who had only one framed item on his cinderblock med school dorm wall: A letter of reprimand from Westmorland. He was a West Pointer who went to medical school after he got back from Vietnam.
    It was his proudest accomplishment in his Army career.
    Mad Dog

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