Tuesday, December 24, 2024

Paul Offit Offers Up Some Truth: Vaccines

 


What got me through the COVID scourge in 2020-2022 was a clarion beam of enlightenment on something called Microbe TV, with its podcast TWiV, which I listened to, religiously.  For 4 hours a week, I learned stuff about viruses, immunology, vaccines, epidemiology I never learned in medical school--I don't think they even knew when I was in medical school.

Dr. Offit


One of the star guests they had on often was Dr. Paul Offit, from Penn, who is on the FDA committee which approves or rejects vaccines and he was always a voice of careful reason, unswayed by trends or bombast, just a show-me-the-numbers kind of guy.  

This link to an interview with "Dr. Mike," who is someone I've never heard of, but who is one of the best interviewers of medical people I've ever run across-- is 90 minutes long and it is worth every minute.  I listened to it in 30 minute segments and Offit is so disarming and so open, and obviously knows what he's talking about. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A27ameSqcQs

I keep imaging the interlocutor who sometimes comments on this blog, who is informed by every FOX and QANON conspiracy theory, listening to this, and gradually smiling and saying, "Hmm, maybe this guy is a good source of real information," and the world being transformed.

Never will happen, I know. But Paul Offit is so reasonable, it almost seems possible, he could break through to the other side.

One thing he says is that given the widespread level of COVID vaccination, and especially for people who have had some form of native COVID, plus the vaccine, especially in people who are not high risk (over 75, immune suppressed, pregnant) another vaccine at this time may not be worth it. There is always a small risk and he talks about the clotting with the J&J vaccine and the myocarditis in young male athletes after Pfizer, but he is always trying to figure the risk vs. the benefit ratio.

He also talks about T cells, the unheralded hero of immune protection, which more people ought to know about. Everyone knows about antibodies, but T cells are  the infantry who are going to come out of the trenches and get the invaders when the next wave hits, after the antibody calvary are long gone. T cells are in it for the long run. 

What is especially engaging is his answers to the questions about who can you believe, and how can you know what is the truth?  They talk about the doctors who are well known and well adorned with prizes and big university names who have testified before Congress and on CNN and FOX and elsewhere, who say vaccines cause autism, or introduce DNA contaminants into your cells, and how tough it is to know who to believe. We're not talking about Dr. Oz here, but guys who are doing really fine work in other areas, who, for some reason have felt the need to go on TV and talk about stuff they really don't know about.

But the overall effect is, at least for me, profoundly reassuring. You figure, if the committee has guys like Paul Offit reading the 400 pages before the meeting on every next vaccine, you've got a fighting chance the government is actually going to make the right call.



8 comments:

  1. Here is an interesting fact that Mad Dog wants to deflect upon. 400K Americans died from Covid under Trump. And 800K American died from Covid under Biden. Now Mad Dog may say well Biden was in office for four years with COVID. True, except Biden came into office with the Trump COVID vaccine available and ready to implement. If one looks at the US COVID death graph for the Trump administration one can actually appreciate that Trump administration with few medical resources suppressed the epidemic and was a public health success in limiting deaths with a universal immune naive population. By contrast, the Biden Administration failed to deliver when he had the vaccine the entire time in office and population exposure to COVID for almost a year. Unfortunately, the Biden Administration and Biden campaign doubted the science behind the vaccine and politized the pandemic. Speakers at the 2020 DNC convention actually and irresponsibly accused Trump of Murder, while ignoring China's role. Thereby undermining public confidence in the Trump vaccine with a disastrous result. BTW Dr. Paul Offit Mad Dog's Hero commended Trump's Operation Warp Speed as one the greatest governmental successes of all time. Anyone that supports and understands science should agree with that assessment.

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  2. Washington Post Headline Sept 16, 2020 "Biden Questions Whether Vaccine Approved by Trump Would be Safe" Perhaps Mad Dog should re-think his support for Democrats who deny facts and science.

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  3. Well, Mad Dog doesn't have to rethink his support for Democrats who deny facts and science. He never HAS supported anyone, Democrats or Republicans, who deny "facts" or science.
    So now the new QANON is Trump saved more lives from COVID than his successors?
    And here I thought Trump invented the mRNA platform, injected vaccines himself nationwide and cured HIV with intravenous bleach. I have been so underrating him!

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  4. Biden also falsely and egregiously claimed while President that vaccinated individuals could not spread COVID 19 and infect others. I think Mad Dog is overwhelmed by facts and science and thus must resort to sarcasm in ascribing every production of verifiable facts as the product of Quanon conspiracy. Such is the state of those who must defend the untenable position of fake news and the far ieft.

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  5. The great LAB LEAK argument you have made is that Tony Fauci and the US government colluded with China to create a virus to unleash on the world. All that based on NIH$ given to the Wuhan lab. The NIH, of course, is interested in doing science wherever the next virus may spill over and so spending $ in China at a lab near a likely site was prudent, not pernicious.
    So, did you actually watch the Offit YouTube?
    Sounds like you did. I was wondering what you'd do with Offit's remark about Trump's greatest hit--Warp Speed.
    The joke of course, and the reason everyone was laughing, is that WARP SPEED happened despite not because of Trump, who had no real clue what the deep state he hates so much was accomplishing in behalf of the nation and the world.
    "The Shot That Saved The World" among other accounts of all that was involved in what, I agree, was the greatest scientific/public health feat of my lifetime (apart from the polio vaccine) and of many other lifetimes--getting a vaccine out in a year which actually worked--shows how many people all over the world had a part.
    The big thing Offit and others point out is this was possible because the government took on all the financial risk and burden and told various labs, "Don't worry about the cost--just do it." Unleashed from fear of financial failure, Big Pharma and universities actually did a Manhattan project that worked.
    Does Trump deserve the credit?
    Well, we assign blame to Presidents for things they have no control over, like recessions and market failures--why not give them credit for things they had little or no control over?
    I'm happy to give Trump all the credit you want to give him.
    That doesn't mean I'd trust him to do the right thing the next time.
    Biden, for his part, did just fine.
    But the whole LAB LEAK! thing is just another example of much to do about nothing, sound and fury signifying nothing, a symptom of a mind which is angry not knowing why.
    Mad Dog

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  6. I turned away from the computer just now, thinking about Anonymous, and the possibility he actually
    DID watch that Offit YouTube, and realizing, this is a person, not just a trolling bot, and I failed to wish him Merry Christmas or Happy New Year.
    Where are my manners?
    My mother would be most disappointed.
    So, yes, Anon, Merry Christmas (on Boxing Day) and Happy New Year.
    Presumably, we will lock horns for 2025.
    We may even generate some light, beyond the heat.
    Mad Dog

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  7. I note that you omitted the Jewish Holiday of Hanukkah in your well wishes. This year, in Judeo-Christian synchronicity, that holiday is the same night as Christmas. Hopefully, notwithstanding the many Nazi photos you post, you are not an anti-Semite, though what we have seen from the far left is a revelation of rampant Jew hatred in that ideology. Let us all prey that newly elected President Trump (unlike Biden) purges the Democrats of that vile philosophy in 2025. Happy Holidays to you too Mad Dog.

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