Whenever Mad Dog hears an advocate of ICE round ups holding forth on the grave threat illegal immigrants pose to American society, there is almost always the same progression of establishing the case: 1/ First, the most horrible example of a Nicaraguan tattooed gang member having raped and dismembered a White woman 2/ Then, there is the statement that this is what Brown skinned illegal immigrants from South of the Border are and do, 3/ Therefore we have to get rid of the whole lot of them.
So, you start with the one indisputably bad guy, move to this guy as a representative of the essential nature of all members of his class, e.g., Nicaraguan men who have sneaked into the country all share these characteristics: prone to rape, murder and dismemberment. Never mind if this guy is a hard working tree pruner: He's from South of the Border, ergo he's a potential rapist wannabe.
Same thing was true for centuries in the South: A Negro male rapes a white woman: Well, that's what they do.
The same has been applied to Southerners, for that matter. Ku Klux Klan members are white males, therefore all Southern white males are Ku Klux Klan.
Ku Klux Klan members were Christian. Does that mean all Christians are Ku Klux Klan members?
General Ulysses S. Grant was the general Abraham Lincoln had long sought. After a succession of cautious, passive generals, he finally found an aggressive, decisive general with a sense of grand strategy.
But then, one day, General Grant was told that Jewish merchants had been engaging in a black market for captured Southern cotton, and Grant issued General Order # 11, expelling all Jews from his military district of Tennessee, Kentucky and Mississippi.
So here we have the progression. These black marketeers have engaged in bad behavior. At least some of these black marketeers are Jewish, therefore all Jews are black marketeers and have to be expelled, at least from this district.
The Union Army did not have ICE agents, but it did have soldiers in uniform and none of them wore masks to expel the Jewish merchants.
Much as Lincoln loved Grant, Lincoln immediately quashed that order, telling Grant, "You cannot apply such punishment to a class of people." Each individual has to be investigated and prosecuted for what he individually has done, not for the crimes of his group.
That, of course, is the essence of "due process."
In fact, seeing "the Jews" as a group was an obvious construct. Are you talking about only male Jews? Are you talking about Jews from Spain or from Germany? Are you talking about male Jews only, or also females and children? Are you talking about Jews born in the USA or Jews who have recently immigrated? Are you talking about citizen Jews or non citizen Jews? Are you talking about blue eyed/blond Jews or swarthy Jews?
One can only imagine Lincoln, the lawyer, talking to Grant about this later. "You're a great general. You're not a great lawyer. And you are certainly no Constitutional scholar."
Lincoln applied the same principle of individual responsibility as opposed to group guilt when it came to the infamous Indian hangings in Minnesota. After a bloody rampage by Dakota Indians, nearly 400 captured Indians were scheduled to be hanged, and the governor of Minnesota wanted Lincoln to sign off on this.
Lincoln insisted on a form of due process. He insisted the files on every accused Indian be sent to the White House. The governor assured Lincoln if he did not act then the governor would hang all 380 Indians.
Lincoln selected out 38 Indians from the files which he thought provided enough evidence of guilt, and the rest were spared. It was the largest mass execution in American history.
This episode is often used by revisionist historians and Lost Cause advocates to suggest Lincoln was a racist, not the great Emancipator, but a typical White politician. But, of course, what it really was was Lincoln, the lawyer, insisting on individual trials for individual crimes.
(Of course, on a personal level, Lincoln hated the idea of executions, whether for deserters or insurrectionist traitors. That underlying personality trait is often important in what moves a President to action. He had no need to demonstrate his capacity to dominate, never cried out, "It is not US who should be afraid; it is THEM who should be afraid." Lincoln was confident in his own courage and power--he felt no need for gorilla chest thumping.)
The impulse to indict a person because he is a member of a group you do not like, is, of course, at the heart of racism.
Seeing a Black person as a Black, rather than as an individual is fundamental to this world view.
Seeing Brown skinned immigrants, whether they are poor people from El Salvador, or blue collar workers from Mexico, or nuns from Honduras, is another feature of deep seated racial hatred. When people begin to look not like individuals, but as simply a member of a vilified group, that is an America none of us should want to go back to.
We had enough of that the first 300 years.
S Among Hispanic voters, 50 percent supported deportations and 48 percent opposed. There was a seven percent increase in overall support since May among this demographic, with an 11 percent rise among those who said they "strongly support" the policy.
ReplyDeleteAmong Black voters, 53 percent supported deportations, while 37 percent opposed. Overall support among this demographic increased by three percent since May.
Meanwhile, support among White voters was 65 percent, while 31 percent opposed. Overall support fell by three percent since May.
Mad Dog,
ReplyDeleteAmong all his other superb, innate qualities Lincoln’s kindness and clarity continue to astonish. It’s unfortunate that FDR was unable to look at the Japanese residing in America during WWII as individuals rather than as one threatening group. One would like to think Lincoln would not have overseen the Japanese internment.
Now the practice of judging people as a group is bona fide US policy. As you point out, this continues as a twisted connect the dots mindset. One member of a group is a criminal, therefore all members of the group are criminal. It’s such a simplistic, one could say idiotic, thought process and yet this cruelty is now the law of the land. Happy days are here again…
Maud
Only Rich White leftists can afford to attack ICE and law enforcement. It is the ultimate hypocrisy of rich white racism in action. It is the poor including Blacks and Hispanics (US citizens) who suffer what illegal immigration does to lost jobs, scarce housing, over crowded schools and hospitals that drains our resources away from fellow Americans who need those resources. Moreover, those who came in LEGALLY know that those who defied the law and paid drug runners and child traffickers should not be here and are undermining the nation and their ability to enjoy the fruits of America. The recent flame thrower attack on Jewish Americans came from an illegal immigrant. Attacks on ICE are the epitome of Rich White Racism and anti-Semitism in action !!! You should be ashamed and understand the realities of the world.
ReplyDeleteBOT QANON:
ReplyDeleteYour AI programming really needs some re-wiring. First we have that old canard that immigrants some drain resources from poor Blacks and Hispanics--that old South Park episode: "They Stole Our Jobs!" and then we have that "Everything comes back to the Jews!" trope of somehow immigrants with flame throwers going after Jews. Then there are the phony polls showing how real Americans support ICE kidnapping Brown people, as if one could arrive at a moral decision by asking the public to vote on it.
Mad Dog
Mad Dog if you really want to impress us with your feigned, feeble liberalism, endowed with rich white privilege, I believe you have medical training, why not get on a plane and serve these people in their home country. Then we can all laud your dedication to your fellow humanity. Until that time comes, and I believe it never will, you seem to be an Ivy league politically miseducated proselytizer of leftist theory masquerading under a false mantle of idealism. You don't really care about your fellow Americans that have been Victimized including murdered by illegals, or therwise deprived of the civil resources (i.e housing healthvcare edication) that have been squandered on these illegal felons and criminal immigrants. You are only pretending altruism, when it is in reality a pretentions display of elitist education that is lacking in relevance and is now no longer supported by facts and reality.
ReplyDeleteThe actress Adrienne Shelly was murdered in NYC by an illegal who According to an acquaintance, Pillco said after eight months he still owed a debt on the $12,000 he had paid to be smuggled into the US, and he lived in the basement of a building owned by his employer. Think of the countless American lives our President has saved after Joe Biden deserted his duty to defend our borders.
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ReplyDeleteSadly Ms. Shelly died a violent death at the hands of a bad guy whose name began with the letter "P" and so, presumably, by your logic, we should immediately arrest and deport all people whose last names begin with "P" or, if you want to fine tune it, all "P's" who can speak Spanish.
That AI program is really stringing together the tickler words now: "Ivy-league-politically-miseducated-proselytizer-of leftist-theory-masquerading-under-a-false mantle of idealism."
I put that into Google AI and got 71 sites including Reddit, but mostly QANON, Storm Front, Storm of Steel, Aryan Nation and the White House.
Buff up that algorithm BOT. Those Brazilian/Russian programmers can do better.
Mad Dog
Mad Dog
She is just one of thousands of lives that mean nothing to you. Thus your leftist propaganda only serves to endow you with a feeling of moral superiority which is fabricated upon the exploitation of your fellow Americans, victims who suffered under your failed leftist agenda.
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ReplyDeleteShe means easily as much to me as she does to you.
Mad Dog
Well in thinking about your writing you are very passionate about protecting illegal criminal aliens who have committed crimes, or paid drug dealers and child traffickers to enter the US but I don't so the same level of concern over their victims. I see no concern expressed over Jews set on fire in the streets by an illegal alien, or murdered by an illegal alien, or those (fellow citizens) who may be locked out of housing or heath care because of the drain on resources by illegal immigrants. Do you know how much NYC spent on illegal immigrants? Twelve billion dollars. I don't see you expressing concern about the fact that money could have served US citizens who may be in poverty. Your leftist position seems heartless, cruel , cerebral and maybe even racist in prioritizing illegal criminal immigrants over your fellow law-abiding Americans.
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Mad Dog try to think about the victims families. Law abiding Americans victimized by illegal immigrant criminals. Don’t sympathize with terrorist supporters of murderer s or rapists or people smuggled in by paying child traffickers and drug dealers and gang members. Consider the good honest people of New Hampshire who abide by the law and not those who have no respect for our borders our laws or a national sovereignty. Try to support the men and women of law enforcement who work to secure your safety and freedom.
ReplyDeleteBOT ANON,
ReplyDeleteOh, yes! I see it now! YOU are the protector of the law abiding citizen and I am the protector of the dastardly criminals who flood across the border to rape our women, take our jobs and claim welfare money! $12 billion gone to those horrible people!
And here I thought the actual number was $12 billion, one hundred dollars and six cents! (Saying a number always makes things sound so authentic!)
In that Looney Toon universe, everything you say makes sense.
Mad Dog