Mad Dog had to Google the law which says advocating for the violent overthrow of the government is illegal.
It turns out, it's the Smith Act of 1940, Title 18.
Long before this law, Justice Oliver Wendel Holmes made it illegal to undermine the federal government by decrying the draft for World War 1, in that famous ringing phrase crystalizing the limits of free speech: "You cannot falsely cry 'Fire!' in a crowded theater causing a panic." He said that the printing (in Yiddish of all things!) of a pamphlet decrying the draft and distributing it outside a factory encouraging workers to not support the draft constituted a "clear and present danger" to the United States of America.
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Holmes, at least when he wrote his opinion, was no friend of free speech.
But we all, or most of us, agree free speech is an ideal with some practical limitations.
Sometimes, however, men decide to ignore laws and to act, to do violent things and they feel justified in violently taking life on principle.
As a tool for revolution, for opposing despots, violence is often ineffective, or at best, inefficient. Or as they say now, nobody can out gun the federal government.
My parents always told me: "Don't be a martyr. You can't win from the grave."
And even a source as dubious as General George Patton said, "You don't win wars by dying for your country. You win wars by making that other dumb bastard, your enemy, die for his country."
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On the other hand, once all other options have been tried without success, sometimes violence has a certain appeal.
There is a famous scene from the movie, "Mississippi Burning," between an FBI agent and the local sheriff assigned to help him. The Sheriff is the agent's native guide; he has grown up in the South and knows the local folks. When the car belonging to the three Civil Rights workers is hauled out of a local swamp, it's apparent the three have been murdered and the agent orders up 100 police to search the location for the bodies.
"Don't do that. Don't do it." the sheriff warns the agent. "You'll start a war."
And the agent replies, "There's a war been going on here long before I arrived."
By that time in the movie, we have seen enough of Mississippi to know exactly what he means. It is a loathsome, fifth circle of Hell, populated by mean, ignorant, violent, haters.
The agent is willing to incite violence to meet violence.
After Renee Good was murdered by an ICE agent, even before federal agents murdered Alex Pretti as he tried to protect a woman agents had slammed to the ground, Mad Dog probed some of his local friends and members of the Democratic Club about at least beginning an academic discussion, a thought experiment, about what the options might be for resistance to the Trump terror.
We might begin with the simple, harmless things, like bringing food to immigrants who are afraid to leave their home, or blowing whistles when ICE shows up on the block or holding up protest signs on the corner.
When neighbors held up those signs, Mad Dog asked the leader if she had held any exercises about how to react if ICE arrived, the way those Freedom Riders and students who did sit ins at segregated lunch counters were trained in the sixties. She looked a little uncomprehending, and said, "Well, we'd get arrested."
Mad Dog thought, "But that's not training."
Do these folks with the protest signs know what to do when they are arrested? Do they have a plan for arrest? What if they are beaten? Do they have a plan?
When you are trained how to resuscitate someone, you are trained what your first step should be--establish an airway--then, the next--thump the chest--and if that doesn't work--start pumping. And if that doesn't work...And so on, for each failure, what is next.
Okay, you've tried the big marches with the balloons and pink hats with ears. None of that worked: What next?
Martin Luther King argued with Malcom X about peaceful resistance v Armed revolution.
Today, we think non violent resistance worked and was the smart choice.
But Mad Dog has always wondered: What if Gandhi had been protesting against Hitler? We'd never have heard of Gandhi, or at most, he'd have lasted a single news cycle. If Gandhi had faced ICE rather than the British colonial officers, he'd have been dead within the first week he'd tried his Salt march to the sea.
Non violent protests only works against authorities who won't shoot you within seconds of arriving on the scene.
Watching Alex Pretti taking each step toward his own death, you could see he had a limited plan: video the ICE agents, back off as they approached him.
But then one of them slammed a woman to the ground near him and he had not planned or been trained for that moment and he dived in and died.
His death will not change anything any more than the death of that student in the famous photo from Kent State. That martyred student at Kent State did not end the war in Vietnam. The violent Tet Offensive ended the war in Vietnam.
So, maybe we'll talk some more about what we'll do, how far we'd be willing to go when ICE comes to Hampton.
And you have to walk it all the way through to the violence.
Do we organize a militia? We have guns in town. This is open carry New Hampshire.
Do we have a dozen men show up with their assault rifles shouldered?
What do we do when ICE calls in more troops with their assault rifles?
Do we level our rifles at them?
Do we shoot?
The Minutemen may or may not have had a plan at Lexington and Concord, but they actually wrecked havoc on the British and made them retreat.
But what happened then?
Do we want to engage in a full out fire fight in Hampton?
And you cannot out gun the federal government.
And if we did try, would that not play into the hands of the Trump/Miller/Noem/Bovini hands?
Oh, look, see! We told you they were dangerous, murdering leftists!
Or are we already past that?
Has the war already begun, as in Mississippi?
18 U.S. Code § 2385 - Advocating overthrow of Government
Whoever knowingly or willfully advocates, abets, advises, or teaches the duty, necessity, desirability, or propriety of overthrowing or destroying the government of the United States or the government of any State, Territory, District or Possession thereof, or the government of any political subdivision therein, by force or violence, or by the assassination of any officer of any such government; or
Whoever, with intent to cause the overthrow or destruction of any such government, prints, publishes, edits, issues, circulates, sells, distributes, or publicly displays any written or printed matter advocating, advising, or teaching the duty, necessity, desirability, or propriety of overthrowing or destroying any government in the United States by force or violence, or attempts to do so; or
Whoever organizes or helps or attempts to organize any society, group, or assembly of persons who teach, advocate, or encourage the overthrow or destruction of any such government by force or violence; or becomes or is a member of, or affiliates with, any such society, group, or assembly of persons, knowing the purposes thereof—
Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both, and shall be ineligible for employment by the United States or any department or agency thereof, for the five years next following his conviction.
If two or more persons conspire to commit any offense named in this section, each shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both, and shall be ineligible for employment by the United States or any department or agency thereof, for the five years next following his conviction.
As used in this section, the terms “organizes” and “organize”, with respect to any society, group, or assembly of persons, include the recruiting of new members, the forming of new units, and the regrouping or expansion of existing clubs, classes, and other units of such society, group, or assembly of persons.








Mad Dog is still in fantasy world. A deranged radical leftist chewed off the finger of a federal agent. Many of those on the left are deranged and agitated by a Governor and Mayor in MN who refuse to take responsibility for their words. Federal law and federal officers need to be obeyed. The deportation of criminal invaders is paramount. I hope we can all agree that the most recent shooting by federal officers seems unjustified but it is an isolated incident. The administration needs to be transparent about it.
ReplyDeleteTHE FANTASY WORLD IS WHERE THESE ICE AGENTS LIVE--ALL DOLLED UP IN THEIR TACTICAL GEAR LIKE THEY ARE SEAL TEAM SIX GOING INTO GET OSMA BIN LADEN AS "CALL TO DUTY" PLAYERS.
DeleteBOT'S DERANGED RADICAL LEFTIST--WAIT BOT, YOU LEFT OUT THE ELIST, JEW HATING, HAMAS SYMPATHIZER. YOUR PROGRAM NEEDS A LITTLE REFRESHING. AND IT'S THE MINNESOTA OFFICIALS WHO ARE THE PROBLEM? YOU NEVER ANSWERED ABOUT NOEM SHOWING OFF A FAKE PHOTO OF THE PRETTI GUN. FEDERAL OFFICERS SURE DO NEED TO BE OBEYED, JUST LIKE WE SAW ON THE VIDEOS OF THOSE HALF WITS TAKING THE NURSE DOWN AND SHOOTING HIM IN THE BACK WHILE HE'S ON THE GROUND. HE NEVER GOT THE CHANCE TO OBEY ANYONE BOT BRAIN. THIS LATEST THING EXPOSES WHAT THE FED GOONS ARE AND YOU CANNOT DANCE AWAY FROM THAT. GET SOME NEW PROGRAMMERS. THAT OLD ARYAN NATION B.S. DOESN'T HACK IT ANY MORE. TRY SOME GOEBBELS--HE'S MORE YOUR STYLE.
Mad Dog did you call for the overthrow of the MN Governor when George Floyd was murdered? I didn't see that post. It seems to me that you resent the very DEMOCRACY that elected the President and the Congress. Democracy for Mad Dog only works when crazed depraved leftists are running things - into the ground.
ReplyDeleteROBOT BRAIN; WHAT DOES ANY OF THIS MEAN? DID THE WORD MINNESOTA TRIGGER A CONNECTION TO GEORGE FLOYD? WE DO SEE THE "CRAZED DEPRAVED LEFTISTS" BUT YOU LEFT OUT YOUR USUAL MURDERING, HAMAS, RAPISTS.
DeleteAnd by the way Good People of New Hampshire we have yet to see Mad Dog offer sympathy to the Laken Riley family.
ReplyDeleteAND WHAT GOOD WOULD MAD DOG'S SYMPATHY BE FOR LAKEN RILEY'S FAMILY? I'M SO SORRY FOR YOUR LOSS. NO, YOU'RE NOT. ALL THOSE EMPTY ROBOT PHRASES: "I'M SO GRATEFUL FOR YOUR SERVICE." EVERYONE I KNEW COMING HOME HEARING THAT JUST WANTED TO PUNCH THE LIGHTS OUT OF WHATEVER SIMPERING BITCH SAID IT. NO, YOU'RE NOT GRATEFUL FOR MY SERVICE. IF YOU'D CARED SO MUCH YOU WOULDN'T HAVE SENT MY ASS HALFWAY AROUND THE WORLD TO SHOOT AT SOME PEOPLE LIVING IN DIRT AND BLOWN OUT HOVELS.
DeleteGood people of New Hampshire it is easy here to see that mad dog is part of the system of rich white liberal elites who are threatened by the end of their domination of our lives, Now after decades of oppression and deaths of despite and victims of crime and liberal incompetence including open borders he wants to overthrow the results of a free and fair election, Make no mistake mad dog and the leftist deranged thugs in the Minnesota streets want nothing less than an insurrection claiming falsely they represent the principles of democracy when they in fact favor a far left ideology that demands total censorship, submission and adherence. Don’t be fooled by leftist lies.
ReplyDeleteSO THERE IT IS. "LIBERAL ELITES" WHO DOMINATE US. SO FAR THE ONLY DOMINATION WE CAN SEE IS COMING FROM MAGA TRUMP DIPSHITS. OPEN BORDERS WAS NEVER A THING. THE BIGGEST IMMIGRANT CRISIS WE'VE EVER HAD WAS TRUMP GOING AFTER WOMEN AND CHILDREN AND RUNNING AWAY FROM ANY REAL GANG MEMBERS. TRUMP AND HIS CALL TO DUTY SQUAD ARE SO TERRIFIED OF "CARTELS" THEY REFUSE TO EVEN SHOW THEIR FACES AND HIDE BEHIND BACLAVAS.
DeleteI HAVEN'T SEEN MAD DOG CALLING FOR AN INSURRECTION, BUT HE DOES POSE THE QUESTION: WHY DO WE HAVE A SECOND AMENDMENT GIVING THE PEOPLE THE RIGHT TO GUNS IF THEY ARE NEVER SUPPOSE TO USE THOSE GUNS TO DEFEND AGAINST SOME DERANGED TYRANT? NOT ADVOCATING FOR VIOLENCE, MIND YOU BOT BRAIN, BUT I THINK THE EXPRESSION THEY USE IN NEW HAMPSHIRE IS, "JUST ASKING."
WASHINGTON—President Trump declined to say whether the federal officer who fatally shot a man in Minnesota this weekend had acted appropriately and said the administration was reviewing the incident.
ReplyDeleteinvestigation.
ReplyDeleteGovernor Waltz after the murder of George Floyd in may 2020. “I want to be incredibly careful that anything I say from this office does not jeopardize a fair journey towards justice,” he said. “So while my personal emotions are real, and I’ll validate them, I also trust that our system of justice is predicated on exactly that: a fairness for everybody involved.” Mad dog did you call for insurrection against governor of mn in may 2020? Or do you just support insurrection when leftists are out of power?